Posts by Nathan Natas

I though that before someone kicks me in the teeth for lauding Charles' action, I will point out that the news is now uncovering Charles' past and his run-ins with the law. I feel that the man's past flaws do not detract from what he did earlier this week.

When circumstances put the choice on Charles to ACT or do nothing, he did the right thing!

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Can you help?

by Old Goat in

i seldom post here, though i read the posts here daily.

i spend most of my time just growing older.

(i became a witness in 1948, so you can guess my age.

Nathan Natas

Maybe I should have used a term other than "black sheep," or expanded it to explain that I ejoyed looking into the histories of men of conscience who were the forefathers of the great crowd of apostates today. I will (of course!) enjoy reading about the Watchtower sociopaths and bullies, but the Watchtower was also a place where intelligene and conscience were often not welcome.

History of JWs and the doctoral thesis of "maplaza"

by Nathan Natas in

this is something that i feel rather good about and i wanted to share it with you.. about seven years ago, a young man from spain who selected the username "maplaza" posted a message asking for any help we could offer concerning the history of an early follower of "pastor" russell named m. l. mcphail.

i was one of several who offered to assist "maplaza".. see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/104735/1/information-about-m-l-mcphail.

just this morning i received an email from maplaza in which he reports that his doctoral thesis was submitted and received the highest mark.. all of maplaza's work was done in spanish, in which i am far from fluent - but if you are fluent in spanish or if you are interested in watchtower history and willing to work a bit, i think you might enjoy this.. you can download maplaza's dissertation here: http://hdl.handle.net/10261/75500.

Nathan Natas

This is something that I feel rather good about and I wanted to share it with you.

About seven years ago, a young man from Spain who selected the username "maplaza" posted a message asking for any help we could offer concerning the history of an early follower of "Pastor" Russell named M. L. McPhail. I was one of several who offered to assist "maplaza".

See: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/104735/1/Information-about-M-L-McPhail

Just this morning I received an email from maplaza in which he reports that his doctoral thesis was submitted and received the highest mark.

All of maplaza's work was done in Spanish, in which I am far from fluent - but if you are fluent in Spanish or if you are interested in Watchtower history and willing to work a bit, I think you might enjoy this.

You can download maplaza's dissertation here: http://hdl.handle.net/10261/75500

Best of all, I think is that maplaza completed his DOCTORAL THESIS! This is an excellent and highly commendable accomplishment.

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Can you help?

by Old Goat in

i seldom post here, though i read the posts here daily.

i spend most of my time just growing older.

(i became a witness in 1948, so you can guess my age.

Nathan Natas

Hi, Old Goat, and welcome! I know there are several here who may share your interest in the story of the people behind the WTB&TS.

Personally, I am more interested in the "black sheep" of Watchtower history and the invisible women of the Watchtower, a very difficult area to research.

I have done some work looking into the history of W. E. van Amburgh, Fred Robison, Merlin Fogh and M. L. McPhail and have greatly appreciated the work others here have done looking into the affairs of Rutherford and his family and the treatment Olin Moyle received for having a conscience, among others.

I will follow your link and offer encouragement to the writers. Thanks!

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Maybeso

by MaybeSo in

im very sad, upset and disappointed all at the same time.

why couldnt i just stay away from this dam forum and live my life and blindly dedicated it to the borg.

now i know ttatt, i cant ignore all the facts and all the stories of the great people in this forum.

Nathan Natas

Each one of us here have gone through what you are going through to a greater or lesser degree, and each has handled it, some better than others.

Maybe the next issue of The WATCHTOWER, or the next book released at a district Assembly, or the next dazzling revelation of "new light", will be just what you need to hang on.

Did you laugh at that? I hope you did.

Try to keep your sense of humor as you watch the Dubs around you enthusiastically applying themselves to something that is meaningless.

The greater the title: Brother, Pioneer, MS, Elder, Circuit Servant, District Servant, Bethelite, GB member, etc., the greater the fool who wears that title.

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Is the U.S. headed toward financial ruin? Your opinions please....

by tresdecu in

jw
friends

not trying to sound like a conpiracy nut...but just read this article:.

http://www.moneynews.com/archives/trump-aftershock-american-economy/2012/11/06/id/462985?promo_code=103fc-1.

is this just a lot of talk?

Nathan Natas

One of the advantages of hanging around long past my "sell by" date - - There used to be a guy who posted here who was ALWAYS talking about how the global financial system was going to collapse in the fall - EACH fall. If I recall correctly, this guy was also a watchtower "true believer" and - I thought his was excellent wackiness on his part -- he was also a vigorous supporter of Lyndon LaRouche.

But I can't recall this poster's name!!!

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Why Must A God Of Love Destroy The World/NonJWs? Why Doesn't This Cause Cognitive Dissonance?

by frankiespeakin in

discuss.. god is love but yet he hates.. god don't hate bad people he hates bad acts and yet he takes out his hate on people and not the acts.. god loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son as payment to some mysterious debt collector so the world would live on and then he back tracks on the deal and decides they need extermination after all, except for a worthy few who put faith in the watchtower corporation.. i remember an article by the wt years ago that dealt with the topic why a god of love is going to destroy the world any quotes from it would be helpful..

Nathan Natas

" If he did it once he will do it again, why wouldnt he?"

He didn't do it the first time - that's a fairy tale - and he won't be doing it again either. Stop dreaming.